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I just read the linked Chechar thread. 1) Takuan Seiyo reveals himself, finally and conclusively, as a non-entity. 2) Taking part in long discussion among people who see Islam as the sole problem, people who deny race’s importance, either denying race exists or placing it quadrillionth on the list of what’s important out there in the year 2010 — people like FJ and Conservative Swede, Takuan himself, and, please correct me, Baron Bodissey – to converse with these people is a fool’s errand. All such people are one-hundred percent assholes and borderline braindead who have zilch to say about zip. 3) in regard to Auster’s, Takuan’s, and many others’ use of the expression “anti-Semitic,” true, reasonable, valid criticism of Jews as Jews isn’t anti-Semitic. I criticise Jews a lot. I’m not anti-Semitic. As I’ve pointed out, neither is Hunter Wallace.
That’s a really good, short way of putting it.
“Takuan Seiyo reveals himself, finally and conclusively, as a non-entity.”
Well, Seiyo is, himself, half Jewish so it’s not surprising that he supports Jews.
Bla, bla, bla. Let’s solve this like a scientist. Half of the western world will go on as-is, and the other half will expel Jews. Then we’ll see who’s right.
Obviously this is a good rhetorical test. Tekuan & co. will pour cold water on this, ignore the idea, downplay the question, etc., because, well, they’re not ethnopatriots. The rest of us will like the idea, promote it, etc., because well, we’re not Judeophiles.
Prediction: Tekuan will never, ever, ever put any real test like this at the forefront of his rhetoric. Challenging the status quo on the JQ is anathema to him.
Well, since the blog doesn’t allow me to just fill in my name and post, and Google’s account code is good only for toilet paper IMO, I’ll respond here.
But they are never over-represented in organisations or movements that represent the interests of the ethnic majority, only those that weaken that majority
Duh! Yeah, Jews are “just like everyone else, only moreso” right up until you start comparing them to others on the question of Euro interests. Then you hear this great deflating sound…
Not only are Jews “underrepresented” in areas hostile to Judeocentrism, they’re “underrepresented” in areas neutral to Judeocentrism relative to areas friendly to Judeocentrism.
As I have often pointed out, socialism is by and large a disease of the intellectuals, and Jews are over-represented among intellectuals
Again, it’s a vulnerable argument. Anything other than what the media peddles is a “disease of intellectuals.” Ethnopatriotism, WNism, what have you, are diseases of intellectuals, yet the only Jews you find in our ranks are the kind that espouse diseases that target WN diseases, so to speak.
Karl Marx was ethnically Jewish on his mother’s side but he hated Jews.
I’d like to see evidence for that. There are some quotes from Das Kapital and such that are usually trotted out to justify this but the ones I’ve seen are used tendentiously and out of context; people spoke more frankly about ethnicity in general and Jews in particular back then. They’re no more “anti-semitic” than many quotes from Zionists of the day. Both parties knew their non-Jewish audiences (who were a far cry from the ethnically bamboozled Euros of today) held Jews in low regard and spoke accordingly; the left had a lot more incrementalist work ahead of them then than they do today.
Hopefully one day people who care about the survival of Europeans will start paying attention to what works. It doesn’t work to whine about Jews and it doesn’t work to try to make friends with them.
I’d guess about 50-75% of the people who care about Euro interests are prone to these kinds of assertions. Evidence? Never seen any. I’ve seen arguments on occasion but never any evidence. Yet, they make assertions like this as if they’re as obvious as the sky being blue.
Problem is, I’m a data point on the wrong side of the graph. Reading about the JQ turned me into an ethnopatriot (WN, whatever).
Personally, I think a frank approach is best. Lay the cards on the table and let people evaluate them as they will. This is how you appeal to people of quality and discernment. In a war soldiers want accurate intel.
Tekuan
The basic Jewish trait is the desire to repair the world. From that desire sprung many good and many bad things over 3000 years (read Thomas Cahill’s “The Gift of the Jews.”). The problem is that since the mid-19th century, it’s mostly bad things.
Mmm, I think ethnocentrism is the basic Jewish trait.
I no more care for pathological Jew haters than I do for whitey-haters, feminazis etc.
Always question people who claim to be “equal opportunity” anything. “Equal opportunity” anti-”racists” (or anti-”haters” or whatever) will find they have so much work to do criticizing Israel that they’re left with no time for any other “haters.” And even if they did, they’d have to work through Zimbabwe next. After going through half the phone book of countries, way down at the bottom of the list they’ll find the USA and western Europe.
To begin with, my account was one sided only to complement the one-sided account of the antisemites.
But now you’ve declared yourself as willingly presenting a one-sided argument, and your opponent has not. So clearly you have confessed guilt, while only accusing your opponent.
I do not negate an “over-represented” Jewish complicity with the Moors or the Bolsheviks, nor the damage that resulted to the peoples among whom them lived. I only wish to point out that in both cases it was a result of terrific persecution suffered by the Jews at the hands of the regimes they helped to abolish.
The history of “Jewish persecution” has as much to do with persecution by Jews as it does persecution of Jews. You align with the vast majority of written history to present this Judeocentric one-sided story (so much for your desire for parity on anything but a local level).
As Fjordman has written – and he is a pure Norwegian BTW – the worst thing that has happened to white people, ever, was Hitler. Start from that and backtrack. Than you will be able to issue a critique of Jews that normal, educated people will want to listen to.
You can read a lot of Tekuan’s stuff and come away with the idea you’ve got a guy you could comfortably agree to disagree with…right up until you come across a steaming pile of shit like that.
Convenient how Hitler, not Stalin, is the biggest lesson here, no? Yeah, yeah, Hitler dealt Eurocentrism it’s heaviest blow. Stalin? Who’s he?
Why didn’t Stalin deliver a blow to anti-Eurocentrism so devastating we’ve practically never heard of Hitler, rather than the other way ’round?
He can recommend scholarship in another tongue, but can’t reason like a 5th grader?
Since you and your kind profess to be on the side of the white autochthons, but at the same time you subvert and falsify the truth, you cannot but harm your own cause, lead to murder and chaos, and ultimately lose, ignominously. Just as your über-idol did.
Yep, full of it. He just played the Hitler card. Jews got where they did by spinning facts their way. No comment. Whites who want to do the same thing (according to him) are bad folks.
You and I shall remain in opposing and mutually disdaining camps of white ethnonationalists. The rest who care about the Fall of the West will have to choose sides. Goodbye.
LOL! He admits he isn’t an ethnopatriot, even as he claims to be one. “Truth” is more important to him, to the point that he disdains his supposed compatriots and demands everyone choose sides.
I’ll choose a side – ethnopatriotism. Everyone who I perceive to be genuinely ethnopatriotic (conforming to a very simple principle roughly encapsulated in the 14 words) is on my side. This excludes Tekuan; not because of our disagreement over Jews, but because he’s not an ethnopatriot.
Tekuan places truth over his people.
That’s okay by me, but I put my people first. Thus, Tekuan and I part ways. I also value truth very highly. Fortunately for me, I find truth to be the best way to defend my people. But I would lie if that is what the situation called for. Again, fortunately, I don’t find that to be what the situation called for. Sticking to the truth is a great way to build a reputation for honesty.
rebellious:
Tanstaafl, the people who are the most hell bent to thwart our plans are our fellow white people.
Then your experience is rather limited. Lol, some white folks on a WEB FORUM flaming him = hell-bent. Hilarious.
There’s a lot more there worth responding to but that’s enough for now.
Tekuan’s striking me as more and more disingenuous, the more I read from him:
To begin with, “Jewry” is not organized and you have to be nuts to believe that it’s hostile.
This is how he responds to statements about the behavior of organized Jewry! Amazing! He puts his foot in it by language-dropping and using words like autochthon; no one with such capabilities can behave so stupidly unless he wants to.
There is such a thing as “Jewish organizations” – but they represent a minority not majority of Jews.
“I can read in four languages but I’m too dumb to know I just defined Organized Jewry.”
And if you believe that Jews are harmful, you’d have to qualify in what ways and whether intentionally or as a byproduct of ideas that they believe in sincerely and, in their minds, benignly.
Why? If I’m an ethnopatriot first, and don’t value Jewish interests, why should I give a damn? Oh wait, I guess that’s what the discussion is really about – who’s an ethnopatriot, and who isn’t.
Personally I do care, because I find I like to thoroughly understand an issue. However, that does not extend to writing 10,000 word essays to every putz like Tekuan that comes along.
Lastly, even when you have isolated those harmful ideas, behavior and such, you would have to explain why you are limiting the attribution of harm to Jews, but not to non-Jewish American liberals, at least ¾ of Western Europe ‘s population, and all mainstream Christian churches – all of which share precisely the same ideas, voting patterns and other behaviors.
http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/1509/
http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/1510/
Whoops! Caught in a lie! (a bald assertion in contradiction of facts from someone like Tekuan is as good as a lie IMO; he obviously couldn’t give less of a shit about truth)
but time flies.
It can be rough when you prevaricate the whole time. In fact, I think Hitler had some choice words about this (I know, I know, but he liked indoor plumbing and so do I so we already know I have something in common with the guy), which Stormfronters call “Jewspeak”.
Armance
If we blame the Gentiles for the Jewish behavior
In a very germane context, this question is so silly! So utterly irrelevant! The question of who’s to blame is in a very real sense totally apart from the question of separation; both parties acknowledge a history of conflict. But it’s only one party that demands both sides remain forced together, which sorta belies that party’s characterizations of good and evil. (Revisionism aside) Would Jews in Germany in 1942 have opposed expulsion?
Tekuan again:
I agree with your final conclusion. Note that I find no justification for current Jewish liberalism in any historical causes. I am against it, I am against liberal Jews, and excuses don’t matter. On the other hand, when the Nazi types pull out tales about the Jewish NKVD, or German Jewish Communists, or desecrating the host in medieval France, then history is relevant because there they are on such false and psychotic paths that it’s not only an offense against historical truth but also undermines any possibility of being taken seriously with respect to a critique of contemporary Jews.
On both hands, the furthest Tekuan seems to go is Euros without rights to homelands of their own. Unless I missed that part somewhere. Ergo, not an ethnopatriot.
true, reasonable, valid criticism of Jews as Jews isn’t anti-Semitic. I criticise Jews a lot. I’m not anti-Semitic. As I’ve pointed out, neither is Hunter Wallace.
This goes back to the irrelevant question I referred to above, in my mind. It’s decoupled – that I take comfort in the fact that dealing with the JQ sooner rather than later could save Jewish lives and livelihoods pretty much answers the question.
But I also reject the premise of the question of “anti-Semitism” altogether. Jewish behavior is so bad, so egregious, that hand-wringing about “anti-Semitism” receives the same taint of malfeasance.
Good comments Svigor.
Seiyo’s jewspeak continues at “Tanstaafl on Auster (I)”.
@ “Well, since the blog doesn’t allow me to just fill in my name and post, and Google’s account code is good only for toilet paper IMO, I’ll respond here” –Svigor
I’ve just changed the blog settings. Be my guest…
Seiyo comes off as being fundamentally dishonest and mendacious – to the point where he ends up contradicting himself (and gets called out for it).
“Seiyo comes off as being fundamentally dishonest and mendacious” ( — Donald)
Correct. He twists himself in knots trying to be consistent and of course only ends up twisting himself in knots. He’s not quite as bad as the others in this group (the Gates of Vienna/BrusselsJournal.com/formerly Little Green Charles Johnson Turds group) in that he’s more willing to speak racial truth to power than some of these other specimens like FJ — but none of them, Takuan or anyone else, is willing to speak Jewish truth to power. In the States it’s mainly Jewish power you’re up against, while in Europe it’s mainly a combination of Jewish and communist power they’re up against. Jewish power used to be the same as communist power, alternative names for the same thing, like President Bush and chimpanzee, but it’s not really so much any more, since the advent of the State of Israel threw the monkey wrench into certain aspects of that Jewish mode of attack, weakening it a little — the ratio of Jews to non-Jews running communism nowadays isn’t quite as lopsided as it used to be, so today you can actually speak of “Jews and communists” and be referring to two entities. In Europe it’s 1) communists and 2) Jews, homegrown and international, who are running race-replacement; here it’s Jews. In both cases the capitalists enter the picture largely as Jews, and partly independently of the Jews but mainly through and/or piggy-backed onto the Jews.
As for Takuan’s use of “anti-Semitic,” it can be proven that if valid criticism of Jews is “anti-Semitic,” two plus two must equal five. Maybe Takuan learned “the New Math” in school? You know, the one where teachers are instructed to tell pupils who are of Negro race that it’s racist to insist there are right and wrong answers in arithmetic? Maybe he learned that one?
Is two plus two “anti-Semitic,” Takuan? Or is it four?
I have added the following note at the bottom of this article: “Update of February 27. The red-lettered phrase quoted above and how it changed my mind is better explained in my interpolated comments (‘Chechar’s note…’) within my latest entry.”
Also, my latest posts in that thread elucidates why Auster’s First Law is pivotal to understand the issues discussed here. I highly recommend the commenters of this thread to read the whole article by Tanstaafl re-published in this blog.
Takuan:You, of all people, should understand that there is deep psychosis there. If you want to discuss reality with paranoid-schizophrenics
I no more care for pathological Jew haters than I do for whitey-haters, feminazis etc.
It never seems to occur to Jews that we reached conclusions based on many years of observing their behaviour. Nope. We are “pathological Jew haters” and “paranoid-schizophrenics”. I’d even guess most of us at one time were sympathetic to Jews. I was once very pro-Israel and couldn’t understand why someone would be anti-Semitic. Even after I first noticed Jewish over-representation in leftist movements and neoconservatism (a subversion of conservatism) I still rejected anti-Semitism for more than a decade. I’m not an overnight convert or someone who developed a sickness. For me anti-Semitism is something I resisted, something I wanted to resist and reject. But I love truth and hate lies. In the end I ran out of excuses for the Jews. I had to reluctantly accept the ugly truth. But, hey, why bother arguing about facts when you can just pathologise members of an outgroup whose conclusions (and interests) differ from your own. Fred is right: Takuan is a non-entity.
Tan, give Auster hell. He may be a smart, educated guy, but there’s no honesty there. I sometimes wonder about the kind of self-esteem that thrives in the face of such low behavior. Whatever it is, Jews have it.
Chechar, thanks. Talk about your quick service!
Matra: and they pretend not to know why they get into trouble. Well, they might start with the complete, total stone-deafness to criticism. It’s an interesting ethno-cultural-genetic-whatever corner they have themselves painted into. Like sharks that die if they stop swimming.
Jews are, as a group, beyond criticism. Talk about a recipe for disaster. It’s like asking the Invisible Man not to steal.
Sorry Chechar, NOW g**gle’s code is back to not letting me see the verification image. I was wondering why I could see yours. Blogger’s account code=shyte.
So, after reading as much of Tekuan from that link as I could stomach:
At this stage it would be quixotic to expel Jewish liberals from the country when there are far greater numbers of non-Jewish liberals. The solution is to emancipate both Jews and non-Jews from their liberalism.
This is often on the lips of people who oppose white independence. “We can’t talk about it because it’s not feasible.”
Best way to guarantee it remains not feasible? Convince everyone it’s inherently not feasible.
These people never seem to just shoot the shit over the issue, though. You know, a hypothetical conversation. All the other stuff we discuss hypothetically is presumably going to happen soon. That’s why they’ll discuss all that stuff; it passed the naysayers’ feasibility studies.
And, as Larry Auster and I have both written, this is not going to happen until the consequences of liberalism are so plainly disastrous that further evasion of the truth is impossible. Hence worse is indeed better.
Nah. Worse isn’t better. It’s plenty bad enough to awaken any decent human being who has the matter brought to his attention. The problem is only a scant few are paying attention. “Worse” isn’t going to help us any at this point.
Taans: It’s fascinating to see how quickly Auster has gone, in your view, from being an indispensible mentor to Tel Aviv’s Satanic puppet. I suggest that this speaks to nothing but the rapidity of your descent into Jew-hatred.
Yeah, kinda like how quickly you change your opinion of your best friend when you find out he’s been banging your wife for ten years; rapid descent into hatred.
Anti-Semitism does not W-O-R-K. It does not reach Whites.
“Anti-Semitism” reached me. I’m white.
You, of all people, should understand that there is deep psychosis there. If you want to discuss reality with paranoid-schizophrenics, you better have nothing better to do in life. But I’ll try addressing a few points.
You’re quick to roll in the mud with the dogs.
a. The minorities to which the LA law applies contribute very little on the positive side, and greatly on the negative side. The Jewish minority has and is contributing greatly on the positive side, in addition to its negative influences. In fact, if you take away the Jewish contribution in religion, science, medicine, business, philosophy, literature and all the arts, you may not have what we know as Western civilization and its achievements at all
Lol. I’ll just pull us back from this hyperbole by pointing out that Jews have benefited far more from Euros than vice-versa. Or are you going to be the guy to explain why Jews didn’t bring their home turf (Levant, Middle East, southwest Asia, etc.) into the first world?
What good is literature if you’re dead? Jews have done far more harm to us than good. And the good hasn’t necessitated their presence amongst us. They have light bulbs in China, and they aren’t all screwed in by crackers. Jewish contributions are always neutral ones; invent the hammer, yeah the Euro man can acquire the technology and build a hammer of his own; yeah this improves his life, but it’s not like anyone actually gave him a hammer. Jewish malfeasance, however, has in contrast consistently been of the direct, targeted kind, relatively speaking.
In other words, if a guy makes me a hundred grand and then shoots me in the head, talking about how nice he was for giving me a hundred grand is nutso-kutso. No favor’s worth dying over.
I say arguably, because without the Jews I see the West evolving as a possible Sparta; I cannot see it as an Athens.
Heh, and he calls us crazy. That kind of Jew-worship is pretty creepy coming from a non-Jew.
b. There is no censure for criticizing Jews and Jewish influence, except by Jewish or crypto-Jewish organizations such as ADL and SPLC (I dislike them greatly and consider them harmful). The last I checked, Patrick Buchanan had a major presence in American media.
Hey, a list! Yeah, let’s make a list. We’ll start with talking heads and get to the inksters later.
Give me five more names.
Both Auster and I have expressed repeatedly opinions highly critical of American Jews. I have received a few polite letters of dissent from Jewish readers, and that’s that. The censure comes when psychotic crypto-nazis step in with their Aryan primacy, Holocaust-denial, blood libels, “Mossad was behind it” etc.
I see you’re down in the dirt with the dogs again. People who give Jews a rhetorical slap on the wrist are “psychotic crypto-Nazi Aryan-firsters Holocaust-denier blood-libeler conspiracy theorists.
Wow, you’re right, you’ve got my platform down pat! I love it when my opponent knows what I really think. Saves so much time. Usually it’s leftists who display this remarkable telepathy while they duck and dodge.
healing the problems of White society by getting rid of the Jews in one way or another.
Nah. I’m just the messenger. I want my racial plebiscite on the JQ. How my people vote is their business.
But Jews have been an integral part of White society for about 2300 years now – much longer than the Hungarians and other Eastern European peoples who migrated to Europe from Central Asia. Through the fiat of Rome, Europe has been the Jews’ primary home since 70 AD.
“Integral”‘s one of those say-nothing words that people think means more than it does, i.e., in this case, “necessary to function.” But it doesn’t. Integral means part of a whole. It’s basically an observation that Jews are part of Euro history. So what? The Black Death’s just as integral a part of European history (and therefore, culture).
Jews have lived in America since the days of the first Spanish conquistadores—long before the ancestors of most of the current crop of antisemites arrived there.
Just listen to this guy!
Is he fooling anyone about his priorities? Show of hands.
On the basis of what do some people arrogate to themselves the right to decide whether European-origin Jews are properly White or properly American?
AHHHHHH! Now I see! I don’t have the right to exclude Jews! I’m second to a Jew, you see. Jews get Israel; I get bupkiss.
Hahahaha, there’s really no way for me to take this guy seriously. Pro-white? Really? Are you effin’ kiddin’ me? He’s got “white” all sewed up as a second back door for Jews, and whites have no right to define Jews out of any self-identified group; if I qualify, a Jew automatically qualifies.
I’m skipping the rest of this guy’s posts. Maybe when I don’t have something better to do. Right now I have to practice tying my shoes.
LOL! My male line been here since the late 17th/early 18th (can’t remember exactly to tell you the truth, been years since I’ve seen the documents) century. Certainly before the shtetl crowd from Ladowice.
“Hi, I’m Tekuan Seiyo, a true pro-white advocate. My motto is “Jews get to have their cake and yours, too. Trust me.”
It is to laff.
Svigor, I’ve changed it now to “no word verification for comments”. Hope it helps. But on March 1st I’ll add again it to avoid spam.
Lastly, even when you have isolated those harmful ideas, behavior and such, you would have to explain why you are limiting the attribution of harm to Jews, but not to non-Jewish American liberals….
In moot court, we called those “softball” questions.
Why? Because “non-Jewish American liberals” are the extended phenotype of the Jewish community. They’re not acting in their own interest, so — as a straightforward biological fact — they are being manipulated by another entity whose interests ARE being served. Biologically, and logically, it cannot be otherwise.
I think we need to do a better job of criticizing Jews in a sane, rational and calm manner.
Even on this blog, there are posts about Jews that come off as hysterical, paranoid rants. Look at the Amy Bishop thread for instance.
We need to stop talking like that if we want to influence people. Even one post like KNL’s on the aforementioned thread can cause a neutral observer to dismiss us. Jews understand this and very controlled and guarded in how they speak.
Lastly, even when you have isolated those harmful ideas, behavior and such, you would have to explain why you are limiting the attribution of harm to Jews, but not to non-Jewish American liberals….
While we’re at it, why is the Holocaust™ attributed to the Nazis but not to Jewish Kapos? Sounds like another case of racial suicide.
Jews understand this and very controlled and guarded in how they speak.
I’ve been around long enough to know that this is not true, even as a generalization.
Anyone who’s been through the Usenet wars knows that’s absurd.
And then there’s Tim Wise:
http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/wise.htm
Until then you are just a punk ass nazi bitch, with nothing of value to say. Start the race war you piece of shit, or shut the fuck up.
<i.I think we need to do a better job of criticizing Jews in a sane, rational and calm manner.
However, I do agree with that. The message should always be measured and tailored to the audience. Honey instead of vinegar, as well, where possible.
I think Seiyo really suffers the paranoid-schizophrenia he imagines afflicts “the jew-haters”.
Matra,
It never seems to occur to Jews that we reached conclusions based on many years of observing their behaviour. Nope. We are “pathological Jew haters” and “paranoid-schizophrenics”. I’d even guess most of us at one time were sympathetic to Jews. I was once very pro-Israel and couldn’t understand why someone would be anti-Semitic. Even after I first noticed Jewish over-representation in leftist movements and neoconservatism (a subversion of conservatism) I still rejected anti-Semitism for more than a decade. I’m not an overnight convert or someone who developed a sickness. For me anti-Semitism is something I resisted, something I wanted to resist and reject. But I love truth and hate lies. In the end I ran out of excuses for the Jews. I had to reluctantly accept the ugly truth. But, hey, why bother arguing about facts when you can just pathologise members of an outgroup whose conclusions (and interests) differ from your own.
I can relate. And not to toot my own trumpet, but I’ve gone one better than you: you love truth and hate lies, which is very good, but the truth privileges you; I love truth too, but day-um it’s been one bitter pill to swallow.
Nevertheless, there is still this: you’re case — exemplified by Tanstaafl — is too tightly argued for its own good, which can be demonstrated by your inability or unwillingness to answer what could Jews have ever done differently so as not to incur your wrath?
Tillman,
Because “non-Jewish American liberals” are the extended phenotype of the Jewish community. They’re not acting in their own interest, so — as a straightforward biological fact — they are being manipulated by another entity whose interests ARE being served. Biologically, and logically, it cannot be otherwise.
Complete and utter rubbish.
They might have done (especially after 1948) what Marcus Garvey attempted to do, repatriate. Instead, they orchestrated Garvey’s demise, through the NAACP and Urban League by pushing the Feds to take Garvey down on trumped up charges of mail fraud. The Catholics might have done the same but clearly chose to pursue ethnic interest. They, blacks, Catholics and Jews, maintain homelands, that are near homogeneous, but they chose instead to destroy the founding Americans, under the auspice of Jewish leadership.
Why chose to remain in a world that is constantly threatening when a return to a homeland, and explicitly Jewish state eradicates those concerns?
“It never seems to occur to Jews that we reached conclusions based on many years of observing their behaviour. Nope. We are “pathological Jew haters” and “paranoid-schizophrenics”. ”
Just plug in the ‘Culture of Critique’ and it directly explains alot of what Organized Jewry is up to.
Wintermute (pbuh) sums it up pretty well:
“I was turned, virtually overnight, from what I call a “Benetton Libertarian” to what is now deemed a “racialist” of an almost obsessive cast, by a reading of Kevin MacDonald’s book. It was obvious to me, almost instantly, that the model MacDonald presented not only accounted for observed phenomena in a more parsimonious way than current theories of the architecture of political power, but that it could be used to make very accurate predictions as well.”
http://fallenfreedom.blogspot.com/2006/07/unavoidability-of-jewish-question.html
Complete and utter rubbish.
You’ll need to do a lot better than that. How do you propose to explain the selection pressures favoring the evolution of suicidal genes? How could suicidal genes leave behind more copies than non-suicidal genes?
ben tillman:”Because “non-Jewish American liberals” are the extended phenotype of the Jewish community. They’re not acting in their own interest, so — as a straightforward biological fact — they are being manipulated by another entity whose interests ARE being served. Biologically, and logically, it cannot be otherwise.”
White liberals, White neocons, and White philosemites = http://neurophilosophy.wordpress.com/2006/11/20/brainwashed-by-a-parasite/
ben tillman said: “You’ll need to do a lot better than that. How do you propose to explain the selection pressures favoring the evolution of suicidal genes? How could suicidal genes leave behind more copies than non-suicidal genes?”
I would suggest that the “suicidal genes” may not be suicidal genes at all but are adapative in some other way; but they’ve just been hijacked by Jews and used to their advantage.
In other words, Jews discovered indigenous Europeans’ Achilles’ heel and are using it – twisting it – to beneift themselves.
Oh. And, of course, if these processes continue unabated, those genes will just be de-selected.
Svigor said: “I’ll choose a side – ethnopatriotism. Everyone who I perceive to be genuinely ethnopatriotic (conforming to a very simple principle roughly encapsulated in the 14 words) is on my side. This excludes Tekuan; not because of our disagreement over Jews, but because he’s not an ethnopatriot.
“Tekuan places truth over his people.”
But he is an ethnopatriot. He’s half Jewish so he supports Jews. Not surprising in the least.
Yes: I agree with Eileen on that one.
Yes, Zsidozas, that’s the idea. Others like toxoplasma and dicrocoelium dendriticum are discussed here:
http://www.livescience.com/technology/060210_technovelgy.html
• The lancet fluke Dicrocoelium dendriticum forces its ant host to attach to the tips of grass blades, the easier to be eaten. The fluke needs to get into the gut of a grazing animal to complete its life cycle.
• The fluke Euhaplorchis californiensis causes fish to shimmy and jump so wading birds will grab them and eat them, for the same reason.
• Hairworms, which live inside grasshoppers, sabotage the grasshopper’s central nervous system, forcing them to jump into pools of water, drowning themselves. Hairworms then swim away from their hapless hosts to continue their life cycle.
Here’s another good list, from political prisoner Simon Sheppard:
http://whitelocust.wordpress.com/more-advanced-matters-race-by-simon-sheppard/
• ‘ For example, the parasitic fluke (flukes are small, flattened, worm-like animals) Dicrocoelium dendriticum lives in sheep, but uses ants as an intermediate host (in order to get from one sheep to another). The ants become infected with Dicrocoelium from sheep droppings, but how does the fluke get from an ant into another sheep? Ants normally avoid being eaten by sheep, staying in the soil. However, an ant infected with Dicrocoelium changes its behaviour. One of the flukes burrows into the ant’s brain and causes the ant to climb a blade of grass and fasten its jaws to the top of the blade. The ant stays in this position until eaten, hopefully (for the parasite) by a sheep’ (Alan Clamp and Julia Russell, Comparative Psychology, Hodder & Stoughton, 1998, p. 29).
• The fungus Entomophthora muscae infects and kills house flies, but before it kills them, it manipulates the fly to crawl to a high place and adopt a sexually receptive pose, to increase the likelihood of the fungus spreading to other flies (Moller, Behavioral Ecology and Sociobiology 33, 1993, pp. 403-407).
• The parasitic barnacle Sacculina infests crabs, preventing the crab from moulting and reproducing and inducing it to care for the parasite’s brood as if it were its own. Male crabs are feminized to groom as if they had a female’s brood pouch (Zimmer, Parasite Rex, The Free Press, 2000, pp. 79-82).
• The female Hymenoepimecis wasp stings a Plesiometa argyra spider in the mouth. This paralyzes the spider allowing the wasp to lay an egg on the spider’s abdomen. The wasp larva makes small holes allowing it to suck haemolymph (spider blood). Shortly before the larva kills and eats the spider, it induces its host by biochemical manipulation to spin a particular web, unlike its normal pattern, to support the larva’s cocoon. Three biochemical manipulations take place in succession: the anticoagulant to stop the haemolymph solidifying too quickly, and producing a saddle on which the larva is supported; inducing the spider to spin a particular web; and poison (Eberhard, Nature, 2000).
• The hairworm Spinochordodes tellinii grows inside grasshoppers and crickets which, on approaching maturity, produces proteins which affect its host’s behaviour. The normally land-dwelling insect is driven to plunge into water, the natural environment for the parasite but a suicidal one for its host. Once immersed the hairworm, which when extended can be four times the length of the insect, emerges leaving its host dead or dying in the water (Proceedings of the Royal Society B, 2005, reported by New Scientist and Canal IRD).
Whoops – somehow I excised the following money quote from the above comment:
Natural selection normally makes animals behave in their own selfish interests. Even when it favours altruistic behaviour, it is only in the interests of some broader form of selfishness. However, parasites may exploit their hosts, forcing them to behave in ways which do not benefit the hosts (or their genetic relatives). (Alan Clamp and Julia Russell, Comparative Psychology, Hodder & Stoughton, 1998, p. 29).
That accords with G.C. Williams:
As a general rule, a modern biologist seeing an animal doing something to benefit another assumes either that it is being manipulated by the other individual or that it is being subtly selfish.
Eileen: I would suggest that the “suicidal genes” may not be suicidal genes at all but are adapative in some other way; but they’ve just been hijacked by Jews and used to their advantage.
In other words, Jews discovered indigenous Europeans’ Achilles’ heel and are using it – twisting it – to beneift themselves.
That’s similar to MacDonald’s viewpoint expressed in the classic What Makes Western Culture Unique:
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/West-TOQ.htm
This suggests the fascinating possibility that the key for a group intending to turn Europeans against themselves is to trigger their strong tendency toward altruistic punishment by convincing them of the moral blameworthiness of their own people. Because Europeans are individualists at heart, they readily rise up in moral anger against their own people once they are seen as free riders and therefore morally blameworthy—a manifestation of their stronger tendency toward altruistic punishment deriving from their evolutionary past as hunter gatherers. In making judgments of altruistic punishment, relative genetic distance is irrelevant. Free-riders are seen as strangers in a market situation; i.e., they have no familial or tribal connection with the altruistic punisher.
And:
The best strategy to destroy Europeans, therefore, is to convince the Europeans of their own moral bankruptcy. A major theme of my book, The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements, is that this is exactly what Jewish intellectual movements have done. They have presented Judaism as morally superior to European civilization and European civilization as morally bankrupt and the proper target of altruistic punishment. The consequence is that once Europeans are convinced of their own moral depravity, they will destroy their own people in a fit of altruistic punishment. The general dismantling of the culture of the West, and eventually its demise as anything resembling an ethnic entity, will occur as a result of a moral onslaught triggering a paroxysm of altruistic punishment. And thus the intense effort among Jewish intellectuals to continue the ideology of the moral superiority of Judaism and its role as undeserving historical victim while at the same time continuing the onslaught on the moral legitimacy of the West.
Individualist societies are therefore an ideal environment for highly collectivist, group-oriented strategies such as Judaism. It is significant that the problem of immigration of non-European peoples is not at all confined to the United States but represents a severe and increasingly contentious problem in the entire Western world and nowhere else: Only European-derived peoples have opened their doors to the other peoples of the world and now stand in danger of losing control of territory occupied for hundreds of years. And they have done so to a considerable extent as a consequence of a self-perceived moral imperative that was utilized successfully by immigration activists to attain their own ethnic aims.
“…They have presented Judaism as morally superior to European civilization and European civilization as morally bankrupt and the proper target of altruistic punishment. The consequence is that once Europeans are convinced of their own moral depravity, they will destroy their own people in a fit of altruistic punishment. …”
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The problem with intellectually insecure whites
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-Hsu.html
You’ll need to do a lot better than that.
I don’t need to do any better than show your statement to be untrue.
It seems to have escaped your notice, but there are other interests besides racial interests. It doesn’t matter whence the source of ‘suicidal liberal’ memes; it only matters that they are internalized and acted upon. If my interests are in ‘a better world’ and I come to believe liberalism can deliver such a world than it’s rational for me to be a ‘suicidal liberal,’ racial interests be damned.
Parasitism can and does occur. But my point is it isn’t necessary to explain acting against (what are purported to be) one’s racial interests.
If my interests are in ‘a better world’
That’s not possible. All interests are biological (though, of course, not just racial).
It doesn’t matter whence the source of ’suicidal liberal’ memes; it only matters that they are internalized and acted upon.
Of course, the source matters. How else will you turn off the meme machine?
Of course it matters whence the blow comes in deciding cause of death. It’s not suicide because suicide is a conscious decision to self-destruct, and that’s not what’s happening.
The people being destroyed are, for the most part, not conscious of it. The people who are conscious of it do not, for the most part, consider themselves targeted for destruction. We who see the destruction and oppose it are the exception, and we are opposed by others who pretend they are on our side but absurdly insist we’re “suiciding” ourselves.
That’s not “suicide”.
Heinous Henry,
Did that Wintermute fellow die, or what?
I don’t think he’s dead, though he has basically vanished. I’ve seen him post within the past year or so on Age of Treason and on Steve Sailer’s blog as colin lainey. It’s a shame, as he has no peers when it comes to the JQ. He played a large role in my own awakening.
No, he’s not dead, though he did lose a couple of people very close to him within the last year.
I no longer post at Gates of Vienna. I’ve been banned from further publishing in GoV my online book. But today I was told that Takuan Seiyo is again on the move in an (almost) flaming GoV discussion. Cheers, Chechar.
Takuan Seiyo’s obnoxiousness is breathtaking. He must have gone to the same charm school as Lawrence Auster. He won’t even address criticism. He has the typical Jewish response to being challenged: Pathologise, then purge the challenger. At Gates of Vienna he’s demanding that certain posters get lost. This is how they operate. They worm their way into a group then insist on excluding those who do not toe the line.
Matra:”This is how they operate. They worm their way into a group then insist on excluding those who do not toe the line.”
Yes, Jews have long been infilTRAITORS and hijackers of White movements, ideas, governments, businesses, etc – as you say, they are forever trying to worm their way in to a successful (White) movement, country, business, government, and so on: then once they are securely ensconced in positions of power/influence they’ll start to push out all of the (White) people and leaders who originally made it great.
After a while Jews will begin to slowly corrupt and ruin whatever it is they have infiltrated. It is a clear historical pattern.
Beware of Jewish infiltration – they seem to ruin everything they touch!
“He has the typical Jewish response to being challenged: Pathologise, then purge the challenger.”
Yes, the typical modus operandi of the Soviet commissars. Opponents should be purged of “ideological impurities”. See his laments about “the deep antisemitism” of some posters as the last obstacle in the counter-jihad blogosphere. These posters should conform to the rules or be eliminated, and a new shining era of progress will emerge, comrades.
Chechar, that was an extremely interesting Gates of Vienna thread. I just read it down to almost half-way through the comments. They have some very good commenters over there, something I wasn’t aware of — I thought GoV was strictly a Jewish neocon parrot, sort of “the sole threat anyone should be concerned about today is Islam’s threat to Israel together with anything else deemed a threat or undesirable by the Israeli Likud Party, Abe Foxman, Rabbi Marvin Hier, Leon Wieseltier, Elie Wiesel, Alan Dershowitz, or AIPAC. Anybody having any racial thoughts in his head is the worst kind of criminal scum imaginable and does not deserve to live. Diaspora Jewish Zionists and Jewish Israelis are exempt from that: they can have all the racial thoughts they want and it’s OK — but only them, no Euros!”
Obviously, a glance at that thread shows how wrong I was about Bodissey and the GoV commentariat.
“Heinous Henry,
Did that Wintermute fellow die, or what?”
Like the other guy posted he is just not posting that much anymore. Last I heard Wintermute posted some at Sailers blog.
He is good to quote though! Almost no one is on par with Wintermute when it comes to a breadth and depth of knowledge on the Jewish Question! (He also knows quite a-bit about European History as well…)
Tillman,
That’s not possible. All interests are biological (though, of course, not just racial).
Right, so you agree that not all interests are racial. I don’t see what sense it makes to claim that an interest in a “better world” is “not possible.” If you want to claim my interest in a better world is also biological, okay, fine. So long as you accept that it’s not necessarily racial.
Of course, the source matters. How else will you turn off the meme machine?
It’s the original source that doesn’t matter.
Look, you want to believe that hadn’t it been for Jews there is no way in hell white America would have pursued integrating blacks, right? I disagree. I think propinquity and prosperity would easily have been enough to eventually arouse a desire to improve the relationship that existed between the peoples. Once that started, it would have taken on a life of its own, with opposition to it treated much like opposition to it today.
That said, I do think Jewish influence has been decisive. Without it, I believe the experience of integration would have been so horrible that the opposition would have eventually won out. But that’s just speculation, of course.
That said, what you initially called “complete and utter rubbish” isn’t, and you knew it.
According to my blog’s StatCounter, even after more than a month I am still receiving visits from this thread. Let me say that I have copied and pasted some of the comments of this thread in one entry: Tanstaafl et al on Takuan Seiyo. Cheers.